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But to claim this was "done deliberately to help with a switch" is misleading to say the least - and such a ploy would be mostly ineffective on people in 1912 who were largely unconcerned with such technical inaccuracy in promotional material. This image allegedly shows 'hull plating from the wreck showing white and light grey paint showing through the black top coat'. and impacted on the larger open spaces dictated by a ship aiming for luxury, instead of being a watertight battleship. However it seems that conspiracy theorists make a deliberate mathematical error, and then label it 'conclusive evidence'. 4. Above: Olympic, taken during her 1912/13 refit following the Titanic disaster, allegedly shows the vessel without the tell-tale plating joint. The marble filmed on the wreck exactly matches that shown in a photograph of the corresponding stateroom aboard Olympic, taken in 1911. it is difficult to examine the evidence (if there is any) but needless to say it does sound like hearsay and an attempt to offset 26 'James Fenton antiques' For Sale and Sold ( 4 For Sale 22 Sold) Page 1. Not to mention that the name Titanic was first filmed on the wreck in 1987 and it certainly does not look Mark Chirnside reports the following: "The companys surplus on the profit (Click image to enlarge). It is true that there was a coal strike and this had serious repercussions for the shipping and maritime industries. 1)The well known (to some of you) James A Fenton, alias "Paddy the Pig", who in the early 1970s, hinted how the loss of the Titanic was not entirely accidental. But more important than that, what evidence does Gardiner provide for such a plan, or even the existence of seacocks on Titanic? The number proves that 1. the propellers could and would not be swapped and 2. that it is Titanic. the game. Firstly it must be noted that welding was indeed invented during the 1800s, before the construction of Olympic and Titanic. certainly not be unusual to discover a bulkhead in the stern of the wreck of Olympic, Titanic or Britannic and certainly does not prove a 'switch'. there are many passenger accounts of large quantities of ice, more than what could be explained by what would fall from rigging onto the deck, such as the following: - Able Bodied Seamen William Lucas saw "about a couple of tonsOn the fore-well on the starboard side." 19345. The collision with an But of course there is overwhelming evidence it was the Titanic that sank, which places this particular claim as purely conspiracy conjecture, for which there is no logic, let alone evidence. shelved 11,906 times Showing 30 distinct works. 45,000) in the last eight years. One issue with this theory is that In July 2013 he wrote to Alexandra Bruce of ForbiddenKnowledgeTV (http://www.forbiddenknowledgetv.com) the following: I have just been made aware that you are broadcasting a film under the heading "Was the Titanic Deliberately Sunk by J P Morgan" (original title "Why They Sank Titanic") on your Forbidden Knowledge TV Internet TV channel. However there is absolutely no evidence Olympic or Titanic ever had their names "riveted on". Claim: While Olympic was open for inspection by the press and public in both Belfast and Southampton, Titanic was not open for any inspection at all, except to The Board of Trade inspection. It is very plausible that the 1,000 pounds[sic] of tonnage was added to the Olympic in order to meet the weight [sic] of the Titanic. Without further information or documentation on this "private flat in the Wirral" -even a photograph - Auden, with whom he developed an intermittent friendship and to whose poems his own were later stylistically likened. This should not be surprising as the wheelhouse was built during the fitting out stage and so did not exist during the launch. Accomplished through strategic, long term planning . What they seem to miss is that this is clearly a fake, computer generated image, as it doesn't match any other footage ever shot of the wreck let alone the bow section. too difficult and improbable, Gardiner uses this to allege a more deliberate and logical plan. Mount Temple (50 miles) Canadian Pacific Steamship Company cargo ship, Westbound, London to St. John's, Newfoundland The most telling aspect of this either unintentional -or possibly intentional- forgery, is the desperate need to do it. I have contacted Steve Hall directly (November 2018) to clarify this and there are 4 important points to be considered: 1. Survivor Lawrence Beesley wrote about men in the smoking room sighting the iceberg in his book, "The Loss of the SS Titanic": "One of them had seen through the windows an iceberg go by towering above the decks. Alleged footage of Olympic's name on the wreck - it is obviously fake. Dr Robert Ballard admitted it was the Olympic If not insurance, a switch would keep the company operational, 12. Goodwin Antiques 295 $361.88 345.06 Silver Enamelled Bracelet Recess Antiques 50.00 $61.34 58.49 Silver Blade Fruit Knife . If there was enough sufficient evidence to prove the wreck is in fact the Olympic why would you need to fake something such as this? Act explaining that if they told of the real reason for the sinking, or the This was the number that was given to Titanic when it was being built in Belfast, Ireland. However these differences are easily explained as Titanic was a work in progress and had many additions and alterations prior to her maiden voyage. The photograph used to support this allegation, "taken from the top of the huge steel gantry" is of the launch of Olympic's hull (painted white) on October 10, 1910 in Belfast, Ireland: It allegedly shows a flat wheelhouse, however on closer inspection no wheelhouse can be seen. rumours of an insurance scam, they would serve a minimum of 20 years in jail On the Olympic I am speaking of? name on it. After the Titanic disaster this all changed. furniture and panelling was better that the Olympic is not accurate; furnishings and paneling aboard Titanic were, with the exception of unique rooms such as the The cost of switching the ships (note point 5 about the number of changes necessary on both ships) and additional ongoing costs of keeping thousands of people quiet would be enormous and most importantly completely unnecessary. 28. The "Olympic" is the Titanic's sister ship ("RMS Olympic"), and part of the conspiracy . And considering they were presumably expecting a sinking according to this theory does not account for Lord's inaction. I can see no credible evidence of discolouration that would be proof positive of repair work, especially in the specific location where the Hawke penetrated Olympic's hull. Claim: Titanic had a newly named room, "The Olympic Room" because, superstitious shipping merchants believe it is bad luck to change the name on a ship, and J Bruce Ismay, and J.P. Morgan thought it best to have the Olympic's name still somewhere on board. But most tellingly, there is not one eyewitness account of ever seeing ice on the rigging. When the were not without further incidents either, as she was involved in several more collisions including with the Nantucket Lightship LV-117, causing the lightship to break apart and sink with seven fatalities out of Nantucket's crew of eleven. Despite the lack of any evidence (and the clearly fictional nature of the claim) it also has no logic for at least 5 key reasons: 1. The warped keel apparently gave the Olympic a permanent a 2 degree list to port and the ship builders stated that it could not be corrected without rebuilding half of the ship. 13. They also allege that the three wireless messages the Californian sent Titanic were personally addressed to Captain Smith, telling him of her position, as if the Californian was telling Smith that she was ready and waiting. However, this was not unique to Titanic. In my view it is very unlikely that the damage was more significant than was admitted at the time. other images of Olympic and Titanic, this post-disaster image has the anchors stowed, thus obscuring this area of interest. While there is some slight confusion over which ship he is referring to "coming from Belfast to Southampton" there is certainly no evidence here of trying to conceal the identity of the two ships. Difference in Titanic's windows on B deck - Coming from Belfast to Southampton. It makes complete sense that the local Belfast runners did not sign up for a transatlantic maiden voyage that they were not experienced or interested in doing (losing all the local jobs they were used to) when local Southampton crew were used to such "long-haul" trips. it is highly unlikely that any crew member would have foregone his pay, and no pay was ever claimed by a crewman named James Fenton. ', When questioned about the 'switch' theory at the Belfast Titanic museum Q&A in 2014, the man who discovered the wreck of the Titanic, Dr Robert Ballard answers: "I think it is the Titanic at the bottom of the ocean. Also it must be noted that Titanic's dining room was During her construction and in this particular photograph the name was not very clear so the photographer took the liberty of sketching it in, which was not an unusual practice of the day. At the time there was also a coal strike, issues with Olympic being repaired, and Titanic was not at full passenger capacity. Such falsification and misinformation reveals that 'switch' adherents are sadly not interested in the truth. Fenton developed an early interest in poetry and at 17 traveled to Austria to visit W.H. It is the Olympic, not Titanic. 5. Hence it is Olympic, not Titanic. Updates? Why would it be there? Claim: While the wheelhouse of the Olympic was allegedly constructed in a bow fronted fashion, a photograph taken from the top of the huge steel gantry appears to show a straight fronted wheelhouse, exactly as it appeared on earlier drawings of the ship. in the Government. There he won the Newdigate Prize for Poetry, a contest wherein students wrote poetry on a set topic, in this case the opening of trade and diplomatic relations between Japan and the United States in 185354. 2nd-class: 200 - Lawrence Beesley "the forward deck was covered with ice that had tumbled over" ("The Loss of the SS Titanic"). The wind blows through his silver hair. Ship's Bell with no name on it This was standard White Star Line practice. Edith Rosenbaum, George Rhiems, Albert Dick and Vera Dick and William Sloper. Gardiner further hypothesizes that the ship that was hit by the Titanic was the one seen by the Californian firing distress rockets, and that this explains the perceived inaction of the Californian (which traditionally is seen as failing to come to the rescue of the Titanic after sighting its distress rockets). I do not have enough concrete information to say the ship at the bottom of the Atlantic is the Titanic.". James Cameron had his work cut out for him when it came to getting Leonardo DiCaprio to star in "Titanic." The famed director was honored with a Hand and Footprint Ceremony at the TCL Chinese . Considering the discovery of Olympic's name on the lifeboat(s) allegedly occurred at least twice, on different continents, and no doubt seen by at least several people, why there are no written accounts, sketches or photographs of at the very least the boat, let alone the discovery, should ring alarm bells in the mind of any serious researcher. Though his verse often treated serious subjects such as political repression and violence, he deployed humour and whimsy with a liberal hand. First and foremost we must address the fact that 'tonnage' mentioned here does not refer to a ship's "weight". Titanic when launched was a work in progress, designed to be a better, improved version of her older sister Olympic. Titanic researcher Ioannis Georgiou explains this particular claim: According to the book "The Ship That Never Sank" (pages 134-135) B Deck had no cabins extending to the hull as boats were visible. It was only when she collided with an iceberg in a freak set of circumstances that she was suddenly thrust back into the media spotlight. Above left: Olympic taken when the vessel was in the Thompson Graving Dock in 1911, allegedly shows her to have had a vertical joint in her hull plating immediately forward of the port side anchor hawse pipe. 15. After a million men had walked out for 37 days the government intervened and ended the strike by passing a minimum wage law. The evidence for this is that it is only mentioned The letters for Titanic are shown here in embossed form when in reality the outlines were etched into the hull. It is true that a list to port was observed by passengers Lawrence Beesley (in The Loss of the S.S.Titanic) and Norman Chambers (US Inquiry). Due to the lack of media coverage Titanic was in fact what the White Star Line called "Olympic Class" - so in effect had the name "Olympic" on her already. However, 1,000 tons of alterations were made resulting in a final tonnage of 46,328. Despite the overwhelming evidence and logic as presented in the previous page, 'switch' proponents will often raise a seemingly large number of questions, doubts, alleged inconsistencies and supposed evidence that has led some to believe the 'switch' is not only possible, but a reality. Firstly it must be pointed out that Titanic was technically not going "full steam" at the time of the collision. Steve Hall does not believe the 'switch' theory at all: "The problem with that doco is it's 13 years old Of course it's Titanic." Titanic prior to her departure on her maiden voyage. And, there is no evidence that I am aware of that points to the damage being more serious than was admitted Gardiners speculation notwithstanding. This means Morgan would certainly have no reason to return early on April 10 especially when he was due in Venice by April 23 (remembering that the transatlantic voyages are at least 5 days long, he would be unlikely to make it back in time). The claim that Olympic got them is absurd. 3. Compare it with the damage photograph below. Titanic was not open for the press and public inspection The lifeboat was wrecked in a collision with the Gosport Ferry at Portsmouth and taken by the Royal Navy to Haslar for demolition. It would have been a press scoop. However it must be pointed out that even battleships with sealed bulkheads will still sink, as they can roll over. 19. This misunderstanding may be one of the reasons why this particular 'theory' holds fast despite its obvious answer. How many crew and passengers were onboard prior to the rescue? There is no reason to doubt that passengers cancelled their voyage aboard Titanic. but would have perhaps slowed the rate of sinking. (Click image to see the full, enlarged photograph). It was written in response to an article The closest we have is when he is questioned about the binoculars and is asked: 19342. This is confirmed by Titanic researcher Ioannis Georgiou, who adds: "While it is true that some survivors such as Beesley and Chambers did speak about a port list, this was taken out of context as both were referring to April 14th. Chirnside and Halpern conclude: "There is no doubt that Titanics speed was increased steadily throughout her maiden voyage, revolutions were increased, boilers brought online, and preparations Seacocks opened to hasten the sinking (Click image to enlarge). By the time Titanic's maiden voyage came along Olympic had been operating for a year. 34. Baber compiled a list of Morgan's returns from Europe from 1904 to 1912 and "only twice (1908 and 1910) in those years did he return to New York from Europe before July, and in one of those years (1908) he returned that early only to attend a family wedding, heading back to Europe a few days later and staying there until late August." The ship photographed departing Southampton has 16 bow portholes. Estimated at over $160 million today, this is more than they could ever have recovered if they had sold or scrapped her. Not to mention the difficulty in changing the shell-plating at the bow and stern which bore the ships names - the names were not just painted on the plates, they were cut into the plates in letters four feet high and one-half inch deep that were then filled in with paint. Some drowned, some were probably killed below decks and there is speculation that an officer may have committed suicide. LET'S SEE THE "EXPERTS" DEBUNK THIS ONE." 21. James A. Fenton aka "Paddy the Pig" Paddy Fenton is someone who had told his fellow seamen that they were in fact switched. At present I have found no evidence of a room named "The Olympic Room" on Titanic, however it would not be surprising. We need to know which accounts precisely are being referred to here. 1st Class Steward Edward Wheelton did met Thomas Andrews on B Deck after assisting with lifeboat No. The second photograph is of Titanic, while still being fitted out in 1911, which shows no similar joint in her hull plating just ahead of her port side anchor. - Yes. Ice on the deck was not from an iceberg However, there are several large issues with this theory. It is pure speculation about a 'switch' that did not happen. Mark's." Claim: A large proportion of the engine crew signed off just prior to the ill fated voyage starting from Southampton, during a coal shortage which meant that many sailors were out of work due to their ships being laid up. The above images are used by conspiracy theorists alleging a difference in portholes. So it is hardly likely crew would be forced to use it for the Titanic disaster. The story goes that after the sinking thirteen lifeboats were recovered, taken to New York, where the name Titanic was sanded off and numbers removed to deter souvenir hunters. It came from a mold and so there should be no surprise they are exactly the same, that is what you expect from faux marble. Local "runners". damage control, especially prior to an official inquiry.if(typeof ez_ad_units != 'undefined'){ez_ad_units.push([[250,250],'titanicswitch_com-banner-1','ezslot_2',115,'0','0'])};__ez_fad_position('div-gpt-ad-titanicswitch_com-banner-1-0'); Claim: Harold Sanderson, from shipbuilder Harland and Wolff, repeatedly referred to Titanic as Olympic at the British inquiry. There seems absolutely no reason to find any conspiracy here - the difference in gross tonnage is historical, mathematical and logical. Skip to Content. 877-CALL NJH (877.225.5654) COVID-19 Care | About Us | Patient Portal | Careers| Professionals | 877-CALL NJH . Titanic, although only just superceding her sister in size, was no longer big news and so the public and media were not as interested in her maiden voyage as that of her sister. The "Titanic" is a ship that sunk by hitting an iceberg in 1912, that was previously considered unsinkable ("Titanic"). Titanic advertising used photographs and artwork of the Olympic. It is true that James Cameron sent a robot into the sitting room of what is called the Millionaire's Suite or Promenade Suite during his 1995 dive. He was predeceased by his brother Johnsey (Betty deceased, Shirley) & sister Carrie (Ray deceased). her full speed if the weather cooperated. Ballard has subsequently written several books including "The Discovery of the Titanic" (1987), "Exploring the Titanic" (1988) until the most recent "Into the Deep - A Memoir From the Man Who Found Titanic"(2021) which all prove that he thought it was Titanic when he discovered her in 1985 and still believes it to be Titanic in 2021. Claim: Historians have always mused that it was rather strange that Titanic was never shown the enormous publicity that Olympic received the year before. When they were not working, they were in the pub, drinking and talking. 23. This is true - but also should to any informed reader be completely without surprise or hint of conspiracy. - Lookout Reginald Lee at the British Inquiry (Day 4) ice " fall inboard. The claim does not align with Ballard's writing on the matter. The Titanic's design used some of the most advanced technology available at the time and the ship was popularly believed to be . As in the previous points, we know that damage to the Olympic did not include a 'warped keel'. Sometime later in a documentary entitled "Titanic - The Shocking Truth" the following image appeared: An obviously faked computer generated image of the letters M and P on the wreck. It must be pointed out that only the hull of Titanic was launched with a basic superstructure. in the Government. After this documentary went to air Steve Hall co-authored a new book Titanic or Olympic: Which Ship Sank? then they absolutely need more than this very doubtful photograph to prove that Olympic's "doubler" is not overlapping and hence it is actually Titanic. However, if the panelling had been from Olympic the number would have been 400 not 401." Fenton was born to an Anglican priest and his wife, who died when Fenton was 10. While every effort has been made to follow citation style rules, there may be some discrepancies. For those who have read this website, they will realise that there is certainly no evidence of a 'switch', all the claims have been exposed to reveal nothing but misinformation or fiction and most importantly that there is conclusive evidence to prove that it is Titanic that sank. Claim: Olympic had a vertical joint in her hull plating immediately forward of the port side anchor hawse pipe, while Titanic during her construction did not. Did they have some idea that the ship which they were on was not the Titanic, but her damaged sister Olympic? 3. Lightwood, Stoke-on-Trent - Wikipedia . Claim: To sink the "Titanic" (really "Olympic") the original plan was to actually open the seacocks to slowly flood the ship and await rescue. For example there are several photographs taken by newspapers aboard Titanic prior to its departure. in a high position in the company, the other man was in a very high position In fact, White Stars profit Even if he did blatantly confuse the names of the ships, it would be clear evidence there was not a 'switch', as otherwise he would have been absolutely sure to get the correct name of the ship to ensure the fraud was watertight. This has been touted by some as the no.1 piece of evidence of a 'switch' - that allegedly the Olympic had a flat wheelhouse not a curved one, hence matching the flat shaped wheelhouse found on the wreck. a manifest needs to be presented (and in the grand scheme of things and the overwhelming evidence a 'switch' did not take place would prove very little anyway). Deck plans Firstly, Ismay's wife and children did not cancel at the last moment. Once it was launched then it was 'fitted out' i.e. While reporting from the Philippines for The Independent in 198689, he witnessed the fall of the abusive authoritarian regime of Ferdinand Marcos. According to Titanic researcher Jonathan Smith, "The footing of the wheelhouse should be there, the teak lip that outlines the shape of the wheelhouse.". 5 on starboard. Wheelton, however, continues down to the storeroom and then went again up to the boat deck on the starboard side. Claim: The damage below Olympic's waterline was said to be far more serious as the super structure had warped. For sure bunker "W" was emptied as this is mentioned by survivors. 26. Excerpt from the documentary "Titanic Breaking New Ground" when director James Cameron explores B-52 during his 1995 dive. Leading Fireman Frederick Barrett testified before the British Wreck Commission that on the day of the collision 39. Their reasoning is as follows: You can not add one thousand tons to a 46,000 ton ship and end up with a 46,000 ton ship. alone did not sink Titanic, that it had a fire burning in the coal bunkers for a This is his testimony: I understand it has been stated that the ship was going at full speed. Could it be There is no proof that a man named James Fenton, also known as Paddy Fenton or "Paddy the Pig" was ever aboard Titanic; his name is not on any of the crew lists or among any of the survivor lists. Claim: The stern section of the wreck has a longitudinal bulkhead, that looks like a temporary repair had been made to strengthen the keel, exactly what had happened to RMS Olympic. We also know that a crew member took First officer Murdoch's wife Ada on a tour of the ship, when she visited. Olympic survived too long for a badly damaged ship 4. In summary Gardiner's allegations that Titanic was in fact a damaged Olympic struggling to maintain speed does not add up, especially when you consider that he alleges Secondly, there are many eyewitness accounts and descriptions of an iceberg. The Government man read the crew the Official Secrets "Wind", the opening poem in James Fenton's Yellow Tulips: Poems 1968-2011, was written over 30 years ago, but could be about any natural disaster or environmental crisis, and most of today's wars . They also question why on the night of the collision the captain of the Californian decided to sleep fully clothed on a five and a half foot couch in the chart room and ordered that her boilers be kept fired up and the engines on standby. James Cameron's epic movie 'Titanic' was released 25 years ago Starring Leonardo de Caprio and Kate Winslet, Titanic became the first movie to gross a billion dollars. This would seem very odd considering the fact that people were paying for Titanic's maiden voyage and not the Olympics maiden voyage. As Titanic had a private promenade behind it the fireplace was moved to the "forward" wall this can be also seen on photographs taken by the press on board Titanic on April 10th 1912 a few hours before her departure and also today in the wreck.". There is nothing here that reveals a 'switch'. The crossing from Belfast to Southampton was a short crossing, while the North Atlantic route (Southampton to New York) was much longer. This woodwork has the reverse sides clearly marked. 38. Claim: An old sailor of the Titanic, Paddy the pig, revealed shortly before his death that the Titanic was switched with its sistership, the Olympic. His winning sonnet sequence was later published with the assistance of his professor, poet John Fuller, as Our Western Furniture (1968) and was broadcast on the BBC. Olympic had a 2 degree list to port, as did Titanic On the panels the number 400 is stencilled, but on the frames the number 401 is clearly visible. Claim: The unsinkable ship somehow had to become sinkablevery sinkable. Compare the two videos below -one is the real footage of the Titanic name on the wreck, one is fake. Titanic's insurance was increased 5 days before sailing and this slipped to $4,509,270 in 1911. One must also suggest - if those behind the 'switch' were so clever so as to be able to switch absolutely everything aboard Olympic/Titanic as to include the numbers 400/401 etched onto the back of wooden panels in all the state rooms (refer to point here) then how is it they would He claimed also that the crew had been ordered to sign the official secrets act. In fact footage of this is used in his 1997 blockbuster film "Titanic" and with some creative license he actually places the fictional character of Caledon Hockley in this suite. His theatre reviews were later collected as You Were Marvellous (1983). While the Sea Scouts were restoring the old life boat they discovered the name Olympic cut into the gunwhale. Frank Finch's letter paraphrases what his son Dennis recalled from a conversation he had in the early 1970s with an old sailor named James Fenton, also known as Paddy Fenton or "Paddy the Pig": Dennis Fench, who relayed the story told to him by "Paddy the Pig". Going aft he passes boat No. "cargo of a few thousand woolly jumpers and blankets." This is one of the most popular pieces of 'evidence' of a switch but also the easiest to disprove. Paddy said that the guilt of Now, almost thirty years later, the director has one major regret regarding his depiction of a significant character in the movie. Why only them? We must also remember that Cameron was exploring the Millionaire Suite on B deck, which has a promenade, something that was unique to Titanic, as Olympic did not have it. First of all, here is the 'meme' by a James Colmer that accompanies this claim: Anyone vaguely familiar with Titanic will immediately spot the critical flaw in this 'switch' meme. However the way in which it is painted to look part of a conspiracy theory Difference in port side joint plating, 20. huge and had been outfitted with the most expensive linoleum onboard (a "Persian Rug" linoleum pattern) so it does not make sense they would carpet over such an investment, especially as typically most dining rooms of the time were simply not carpeted. James Fenton, in full James Martin Fenton, (born April 25, 1949, Lincoln, Lincolnshire, England), English poet and journalist who was remarked upon for his facility with a wide variety of verse styles and for the liberal political views threading his oeuvre. The reality: In close-up we can clearly see that the name Titanic was actually sketched on to the negative/photograph to make it more visible and so cannot be used for reference. But also there would be no need to. You can also purchase an audio CD of Fenton reading 18 of his best poems (12.99) (Click image to enlarge). full speed. The special effects of the . Nor does it prove Gardiners speculation that the name had been ground Author Steve Hall admits it could be the Olympic 2. Since they both essentially had the same dimensions, the difference is simply due to revised interior configurations Patchwork and braces from Hawke collision in wreck photographs James Fenton was born in Lincoln in 1949 and educated at Magdalen College, Oxford where he won the Newdigate Prize for poetry. The swap was purely to keep the company in business. However, Ballard has nothing to gain from keeping it a secret - it would be huge publicity for him. When she visited coat ' no name on the wreck, one is.. 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